Points of View from Jerusalem 2017-11-29T18:13:54+00:00

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“All we wanted was to end the exhausting week with a dip in a spring. Legitimate. Normal... ‘Even for women’. By the time we arrived, there were two guys who wanted us to leave so they could take a dip [1]. I did not think about such controversial concepts like the ‘exclusion of women’. I believe that it is important to respect people even when it is less convenient and that this is true pluralism. I really would have left.

However, it was the tone in which they asked that was really disgusting. Like we owe them something. ‘It’s very clear that this spring is for men on Fridays,’ one of them said. There were also some unpleasant words that expressed his professional and personal opinion about us. [...]

So we just went into the water. Immediately, we were insulted and cursed and people got up and left. It’s their right. We were in the water for maybe five minutes when they threw our picnic blanket into the water. When I tried to understand what the blanket was doing in the water, they also threw stones at us. Words like ‘Hell’ and ‘Blasphemy’ were thrown into the air as if the angels Michael and Gabriel, God's deputies, were standing in front of me. [...]

At first all the boys who were there let them humiliate us and kept quiet. But then the two guys returned, surprisingly, with more boys and asked us to leave, at this point we were in the water for about eight minutes. They explained very nicely to us that the whole week we can be in the spring, but on Fridays it was a spring for men. I also explained to them very nicely that Friday is also our day off and that we keep Shabbat.

[...] Two more minutes passed: ten minutes in the water. An elderly man came and asked us to leave. We told him we'd been in for a long time, and in a few minutes we'd be out. He would not listen and after he screamed at us with curses that even God or the Devil wouldn't utter, this elderly man who accused us of immorality and lack of modesty, got naked in front of us, pubes and all and went into the water. At this point, we were sick of all this, so we left.

So there are a lot of extreme, controversial ideas here: Exclusion of women, violence, bullying, humiliation. But what bothers me more than anything else was the use of ‘God’. The God I believe in and love with all my heart, could not have created such a violent and offensive discourse. You want to have a dip? Go to the mikvah [2]. Is it ‘pastoral’ for you to dip in the spring? Come in the early hours when no one is there. Is it critical for you to be there on Friday afternoon? Great, this space is public and shared, there is a way to ask and there is a way to be considerate.

I am calling out to the female voices or maybe even just to the sane voices to start going out to the springs on Friday afternoon..It happened to us at the Itamar spring [3], but I also know it happens at Lifta [4], and it can happen anywhere...that's not cool. Women are fifty percent of the world's population (maybe a little more or less,) and they also want to dip in the springs on Friday afternoon, even if it's a dip for fun and splashing and not halachic immersion. By the way men: it's a custom, for God's sake, not even an obligation. God, how much we've blown things out of proportion [5]."

- Shaked Shilo in ‘Jerusalemites’ FB Group

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0202 Editor’s Notes:
[1] Springs in the Jerusalem region are popular summer locations among Jerusalemites. Secular communities over the last few weeks have protested the Haredi men who have increasingly used the springs as ritual baths. The men claim they cannot immerse in places where women are present. For a previous post on this subject, see: goo.gl/aV5LDr
[2] Mikvah (lit. collection) is a bath used for immersion in order to become ritually pure. The Mikvah must be connected to a naturally occurring water source, in order to be fit for use according to Jewish law.
[3] Ein Itamar (Itamar Spring) is a spring in the Jerusalem Hills. The spring is named after Itamar Doron, who was killed in a terrorist attack at the spring in 1998.
[4] Lifta is a nature reserve on the outskirts of Jerusalem located on the site of a depopulated Palestinian village. The spring at Lifta is a popular summer location among Jerusalemites.
[5] Married women are obligated by Jewish law to immerse in a Mikvah after their menstrual cycle. In contrast to this, some Jewish men have a custom (which in Jewish jurisprudence is a lower level than an obligated commandment) to immerse in a Mikvah on a daily or weekly basis.

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“All we wanted was to end the exhausting week with a dip in a spring. Legitimate. Normal... ‘Even for women’. By the time we arrived, there were two guys who wanted us to leave so they could take a dip [1]. I did not think about such controversial concepts like the ‘exclusion of women’. I believe that it is important to respect people even when it is less convenient and that this is true pluralism. I really would have left. 

However, it was the tone in which they asked that was really disgusting. Like we owe them something. ‘It’s very clear that this spring is for men on Fridays,’  one of them said. There were also some unpleasant words that expressed his professional and personal opinion about us. [...] 

So we just went into the water. Immediately, we were insulted and cursed and people got up and left. It’s their right. We were in the water for maybe five minutes when they threw our picnic blanket into the water. When I tried to understand what the blanket was doing in the water, they also threw stones at us. Words like ‘Hell’ and ‘Blasphemy’ were thrown into the air as if the angels Michael and Gabriel, Gods deputies, were standing in front of me. [...]

At first all the boys who were there let them humiliate us and kept quiet. But then the two guys returned, surprisingly, with more boys and asked us to leave, at this point we were in the water for about eight minutes. They explained very nicely to us that the whole week we can be in the spring, but on Fridays it was a spring for men. I also explained to them very nicely that Friday is also our day off and that we keep Shabbat.  

[...] Two more minutes passed: ten minutes in the water. An elderly man came and asked us to leave. We told him wed been in for a long time, and in a few minutes wed be out. He would not listen and after he screamed at us with curses that even God or the Devil wouldnt utter, this elderly man who accused us of immorality and lack of modesty, got naked in front of us, pubes and all and went into the water. At this point, we were sick of all this, so we left.  

So there are a lot of extreme, controversial ideas here: Exclusion of women, violence, bullying, humiliation. But what bothers me more than anything else was the use of ‘God’. The God I believe in and love with all my heart, could not have created such a violent and offensive discourse. You want to have a dip? Go to the mikvah [2]. Is it ‘pastoral’ for you to dip in the spring? Come in the early hours when no one is there. Is it critical for you to be there on Friday afternoon? Great, this space is public and shared, there is a way to ask and there is a way to be considerate. 

I am calling out to the female voices or maybe even just to the sane voices to start going out to the springs on Friday afternoon..It happened to us at the Itamar spring [3], but I also know it happens at Lifta [4], and it can happen anywhere...thats not cool. Women are fifty percent of the worlds population (maybe a little more or less,) and they also want to dip in the springs on Friday afternoon, even if its a dip for fun and splashing and not halachic immersion. By the way men: its a custom, for Gods sake, not even an obligation. God, how much weve blown things out of proportion [5].

- Shaked Shilo in ‘Jerusalemites’ FB Group 

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0202 Editor’s Notes:
[1] Springs in the Jerusalem region are popular summer locations among Jerusalemites. Secular communities over the last few weeks have protested the Haredi men who have increasingly used the springs as ritual baths. The men claim they cannot immerse in places where women are present. For a previous post on this subject, see: https://goo.gl/aV5LDr
[2] Mikvah (lit. collection) is a bath used for immersion in order to become ritually pure. The Mikvah must be connected to a naturally occurring water source, in order to be fit for use according to Jewish law. 
[3] Ein Itamar (Itamar Spring) is a spring in the Jerusalem Hills. The spring is named after Itamar Doron, who was killed in a terrorist attack at the spring in 1998. 
[4] Lifta is a nature reserve on the outskirts of Jerusalem located on the site of a depopulated Palestinian village. The spring at Lifta is a popular summer location among Jerusalemites.
[5] Married women are obligated by Jewish law to immerse in a Mikvah after their menstrual cycle. In contrast to this, some Jewish men have a custom (which in Jewish jurisprudence is a lower level than an obligated commandment) to immerse in a Mikvah on a daily or weekly basis. 
 
#Haredi_Jerusalem #Lifta #Religious_Coercion #Gender #Nature
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We keep rehashing the same old points... Its time for people to evolve as well as media.

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"A Call to the Residents of Jerusalem.

A wounded man from the Gaza Strip is currently in intensive care at Augusta Victoria Hospital [1]. He is suffering from intense bleeding and urgently needs O-negative blood.

Anyone who can donate should contact the blood bank at Al-Makassed Hospital [2] in Jerusalem and donate under the name Imad Abu Rida.

Please share this post to reach as many people as possible. Thank you for your giving and belonging!"

-Augusta Victoria Hospital

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0202 Editor's Notes:
[1] Augusta Victoria Hospital is a church-hospital compound located on the Mount of Olives is the second largest hospital in East Jerusalem. The hospital provides care for Palestinians from across the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Since its establishment in 1950, the hospital is primarily funded by The Lutheran World Federation and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East.
[2] Al-Makassed Hospital was established by the Makassed Islamic Charitable Society in East Jerusalem in 1968. The hospital provides medical services to Palestinians from across East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Al-Makassed is also a teaching hospital that trains medical and nursing students, encouraging them to obtain certification from the Palestinian and Jordanian medical boards.

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A Call to the Residents of Jerusalem. 

A wounded man from the Gaza Strip is currently in intensive care at Augusta Victoria Hospital [1]. He is suffering from intense bleeding and urgently needs O-negative blood.

Anyone who can donate should contact the blood bank at Al-Makassed Hospital [2] in Jerusalem and donate under the name Imad Abu Rida.

Please share this post to reach as many people as possible. Thank you for your giving and belonging!

-Augusta Victoria Hospital

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0202 Editors Notes: 
[1] Augusta Victoria Hospital is a church-hospital compound located on the Mount of Olives is the second largest hospital in East Jerusalem. The hospital provides care for Palestinians from across the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Since its establishment in 1950, the hospital is primarily funded by The Lutheran World Federation and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East. 
[2] Al-Makassed Hospital was established by the Makassed Islamic Charitable Society in East Jerusalem in 1968. The hospital provides medical services to Palestinians from across East Jerusalem, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Al-Makassed is also a teaching hospital that trains medical and nursing students, encouraging them to obtain certification from the Palestinian and Jordanian medical boards. 

#East_Jerusalem #West_Bank  #Gaza #Medicine #Blood_Donation
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"A question for the Muslims who might be interested: how can the Saudi Arabian athletes be playing during Ramadan? They don't need to drink water?"

- Jerusalemites group on Facebook

[Selected Comments:]
- "They received a halachic exemption."
- "The fast ends tonight."
-- "But the game already started."
- "These sons of bitches ain't fasting hahahaha"
- "Some don't fast out of choice and there are some that play while fasting. I don't think that the Saudi government forces its athletes to fast if they don't want to. It seems as though tonight is the last fast so it won't matter to them in their two other games."

#World_Cup #Saudi_Arabia #Ramadan

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A question for the Muslims who might be interested: how can the Saudi Arabian athletes be playing during Ramadan? They dont need to drink water?

- Jerusalemites group on Facebook

[Selected Comments:]
- They received a halachic exemption.
- The fast ends tonight.
-- But the game already started.
- These sons of bitches aint fasting hahahaha
- Some dont fast out of choice and there are some that play while fasting. I dont think that the Saudi government forces its athletes to fast if they dont want to. It seems as though tonight is the last fast so it wont matter to them in their two other games.

#World_Cup #Saudi_Arabia #Ramadan

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"Ben Yehuda Street- the demonstration against withdrawing from the Sinai Peninsula.

The shadow of the participants and the police reflected on the street strengthen the actors and add a comical dimension to the event.
Photo taken by Micah Biram, 1957."

- Jerusalem of Old

#History #Photography

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Ben Yehuda Street- the demonstration against withdrawing from the Sinai Peninsula. 

The shadow of the participants and the police reflected on the street strengthen the actors and add a comical dimension to the event.
Photo taken by Micah Biram, 1957.

- Jerusalem of Old

#History #Photography

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Al-Aqsa Mosque on Eid Al-Fitr[1]:

"More than 90 thousand [Muslim] worshipers prayed the Eid Al-Fitr prayer in the arms of the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque.
May you be healthy every year [2]
Eid Mubarak [3]"

- Jerusalem Gate Newspaper

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"A protest in Al-Aqsa Mosque after Eid Al-Fitr prayer as a refusal to accept the siege on the Gaza strip and the Palestinian Authority punishment [of Gaza]."

- Al-Jazeera - Jerusalem Page

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0202 Editor's Note:
[1] Eid Al-Fitr is one of the two Eids (Holidays) that Muslims celebrate. This Eid signals the end of the blessed month of Ramadan.
[2] Kul Am Wanti Bkher literally translates to "Every year and you are alright". It is a holiday greeting used mostly on Eids and birthdays.
[3] Eid Mubarak means Blessed Eid

#East_Jerusalem #Eid #AlAqsa #Temple_Mount #Gaza

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Al-Aqsa Mosque on Eid Al-Fitr[1]:

More than 90 thousand [Muslim] worshipers prayed the Eid Al-Fitr prayer in the arms of the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque. 
May you be healthy every year [2]
Eid Mubarak [3]

- Jerusalem Gate Newspaper

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A protest in Al-Aqsa Mosque after Eid Al-Fitr prayer as a refusal to accept the siege on the Gaza strip and the Palestinian Authority punishment [of Gaza].

- Al-Jazeera - Jerusalem Page 

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0202 Editors Note:
[1] Eid Al-Fitr is one of the two Eids (Holidays) that Muslims celebrate. This Eid signals the end of the blessed month of Ramadan. 
[2] Kul Am Wanti Bkher literally translates to Every year and you are alright. It is a holiday greeting used mostly on Eids and birthdays. 
[3] Eid Mubarak means Blessed Eid

#East_Jerusalem #Eid #AlAqsa #Temple_Mount #Gaza

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https://bit.ly/2JYTsRv

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"The entrance to the city...everything's blocked up."

- Jerusalemites group on Facebook

[Selected Comments:]
- "What's the demonstration about?"
-- "Expulsion of Jews from their homes just because they're Jews."
-- "Evacuation. In Netiv Ha'avot."
- "A nightmare! They're ticks!"
-- "Who's a tick? Those whose homes are destroying and you don't care about because you live somewhere no one will evacuate?"

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The entrance to the city...everythings blocked up.

- Jerusalemites group on Facebook

[Selected Comments:]
- Whats the demonstration about?
-- Expulsion of Jews from their homes just because theyre Jews.
-- Evacuation. In Netiv Haavot.
- A nightmare! Theyre ticks!
-- Whos a tick? Those whose homes are destroying and you dont care about because you live somewhere no one will evacuate?

#Netiv_HaAvot #Evacuation #Traffic

https://goo.gl/xxsWXB

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News Digest: Viral in the Palestinian Media - from Thursday's protest:

"The Palestinian Authority suppressed a march which was being held in solidarity with Gaza and threw gas bombs at the participants near Al-Manara Square in Ramallah."

-Anata News

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"Palestine Today channel - A number of girls were injured during the suppression by the Palestinian Authority of the protest in Ramallah held in solidarity with Gaza."

-Anata News

[Selected comment:]

"Why did they go? They do not have to go out, there are men who can go out and protest."

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"Watch: A young man in civilian clothes is pulled by security guards during a march in central Ramallah to lift the sanctions currenly in place on Gaza ."

-Qalandiya Media Center

[Selected comments:]

- "May God help you, and in this blessed month we accuse the Jews, but you are more harsh, more cruel and more oppressive than the Jews... God will not bless you."

- "The Jews are more merciful."

#East_Jerusalem #Ramallah #Demonstrations #Gaza

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"So they say they're keeping the Train Track Park?!?!

This is definitely not true ... We thought that was maybe a joke,
But no, it's a messed-up lie to freak you out.

When the first tractor goes up on Emek Refaim,
Destroying and shutting off the lives of residents and merchants alike,
When the street is stopped and vehicles can not be reached,
How will trucks carrying merchandise, garbage, emergency vehicles and passing cars pass?

According to the "combined tools" law, there is no other choice,
Go straight to the Train Track Park and the Train Street
Pass all coming traffic !!! Because there is simply no other choice!

And instead of a family entertainment park,
We will get heavy air pollution, no more and no less,
And in the park no one will eat or have fun and it will just be evacuated

And because with your hands you destroyed Emek Refaim and the Train Track Park,
There will be neither forgiveness or pardon,
In Emek Refaim there will not be a light rail,
But also not in the Train Track Park,
A light train will only pass through a tunnel!

To be continued...

#Light_Rail #Emek_Refaim #Train_Track_Park

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"Goodbye and Good Riddance: Citypass [1] Says Farewell to Jerusalem.

The results of the Ministry of Tranportation’s bid for operating the Light Rail have arrived: Citypass will not be continuing – the Jerusalemite activists are happy but there are those who are trying to claim credit that isn’t theirs."

- Kol HaZman Haredi Newspaper [article was posted in a west Jerusalem FB Group]

[Selected Comments from Jerusalemites FB Group:]
- "When is this happening exactly? So we can get together for a toast..."
- "A record was broken yesterday: My ticket was checked three times [on the short ride] from the central bus station to Jaffa - Center station."
- "Explain to them: What does it matter, an inspector is an inspector. The color of his uniform doesn’t matter, the person wearing it is an asshole."
- "Does that mean that if I have ten fines, I don't have to pay them?"
- "I don’t get this. Whoever hasn’t payed should be fined. Why should I continue to be law-abiding when I see a criminal next to me that hasn’t paid and he gets out of it scot-free? You’ve been caught? Pay. He dares to argue? As far as I’m concerned, he can be beaten. He’s a thief and should be treated as such."
- [In response:] "You’re right, but they started it (the thieving)."
- [In response:] "What do you mean?"
- [In response:] "They steal from the residents. For example: Yesterday, an elderly woman boarded the train yesterday with a shopping trolley and a bag. She sits down to look through her bag for her ‘Rav-Kav’ [2] in order to pay. As she gets up to pay, an inspector appears out of nowhere and scolds her: ‘Next time you’ll be fined’. […] Their interpretation of the law is intended to allow them to steal from people. And anyway, the fact that they makes so much money from fines is suspicious."

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0202 Editor's Notes:
[1] Citypass is the company that has managed Jerusalem's Light Rail public transport system since its opening. The conduct of the company and its inspectors has been constantly under scrutiny and is heavily criticized.
[2] 'Rav-Kav' - Israel's chargeable public transport card.

#Transportation #Light_Rail #Fines #Infrastructure #Activism

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So they say theyre keeping the Train Track Park?!?!

This is definitely not true ... We thought that was maybe a joke,
But no, its a messed-up lie to freak you out.

When the first tractor goes up on Emek Refaim, 
Destroying and shutting off the lives of residents and merchants alike,
When the street is stopped and vehicles can not be reached,
How will trucks carrying merchandise, garbage, emergency vehicles and passing cars pass?

According to the combined tools law, there is no other choice,
Go straight to the Train Track Park and the Train Street
Pass all coming traffic !!! Because there is simply no other choice!

And instead of a family entertainment park,
We will get heavy air pollution, no more and no less,
And in the park no one will eat or have fun and it will just be evacuated

And because with your hands you destroyed Emek Refaim and the Train Track Park,
There will be neither forgiveness or pardon,
In Emek Refaim there will not be a light rail,
But also not in the Train Track Park,
A light train will only pass through a tunnel!

To be continued...

#Light_Rail #Emek_Refaim #Train_Track_Park

https://goo.gl/uAmtUA

Goodbye and Good Riddance: Citypass [1] Says Farewell to Jerusalem.

The results of the Ministry of Tranportation’s bid for operating the Light Rail have arrived: Citypass will not be continuing – the Jerusalemite activists are happy but there are those who are trying to claim credit that isn’t theirs.

- Kol HaZman Haredi Newspaper [article was posted in a west Jerusalem FB Group]

[Selected Comments from Jerusalemites FB Group:]
- When is this happening exactly? So we can get together for a toast...
- A record was broken yesterday: My ticket was checked three times [on the short ride] from the central bus station to Jaffa - Center station.
- Explain to them: What does it matter, an inspector is an inspector. The color of his uniform doesn’t matter, the person wearing it is an asshole.
- Does that mean that if I have ten fines, I dont have to pay them?
- I don’t get this. Whoever hasn’t payed should be fined. Why should I continue to be law-abiding when I see a criminal next to me that hasn’t paid and he gets out of it scot-free? You’ve been caught? Pay. He dares to argue? As far as I’m concerned, he can be beaten. He’s a thief and should be treated as such.
- [In response:] You’re right, but they started it (the thieving).
- [In response:] What do you mean?
- [In response:] They steal from the residents. For example: Yesterday, an elderly woman boarded the train yesterday with a shopping trolley and a bag. She sits down to look through her bag for her ‘Rav-Kav’ [2] in order to pay. As she gets up to pay, an inspector appears out of nowhere and scolds her: ‘Next time you’ll be fined’. […] Their interpretation of the law is intended to allow them to steal from people. And anyway, the fact that they makes so much money from fines is suspicious. 

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0202 Editors Notes:
[1] Citypass is the company that has managed Jerusalems Light Rail public transport system since its opening. The conduct of the company and its inspectors has been constantly under scrutiny and is heavily criticized.
[2] Rav-Kav - Israels chargeable public transport card.

#Transportation #Light_Rail #Fines #Infrastructure #Activism

https://bit.ly/2sRno87
https://tinyurl.com/ycg2t9hu

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"A large graffiti drawing by Palestinians about the racist Separation Fence [1] between the Zionist entity and the West Bank, the hero of the painting is Lionel Messi and his great historical position [2]."

Al-Mukaber Net

[Selected comment:]
- "Well, then draw him when he was at the Western Wall"
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0202 Editor's Note:
[1] The Separation Fence is the Separation barrier in the West Bank or along the Green Line. Israel considers it a security barrier against terrorism, while Palestinians call it a racial segregation wall or apartheid wall.

[2] The post refers to the cancelled friendly game that Argentina's national soccer team was supposed to play against Israels' and take place in Jerusalem. Argentina cancelled its arrival a few days before the game was planned to take place.

#East_Jerusalem #Messi #Separation_Fence

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A large graffiti drawing by Palestinians about the racist Separation Fence [1] between the Zionist entity and the West Bank, the hero of the painting is Lionel Messi and his great historical position [2].

Al-Mukaber Net

[Selected comment:]
- Well, then draw him when he was at the Western Wall
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0202 Editors Note:
[1] The Separation Fence is the Separation barrier in the West Bank or along the Green Line. Israel considers it a security barrier against terrorism, while Palestinians call it a racial segregation wall or apartheid wall.

[2] The post refers to the cancelled friendly game that Argentinas national soccer team was supposed to play against Israels and take place in Jerusalem. Argentina cancelled its arrival a few days before the game was planned to take place. 
 
#East_Jerusalem #Messi #Separation_Fence 

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BDS on a whole new level✌..however the manager should be depicted in the mural,Messi has never supported Palestine

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“More than 1000 [Palestinian] mutakif [1] participated in the renovation and restoration of the Bab A-Rahma [2] area, east of Al-Aqsa Mosque during the 27th night of Ramadan. Activists release the hashtags Bab_Arahma_is_ours, and My_Itikaf_is_at_Bab_Arahma.

Written by Juman Abu Arefeh.

Video by Mohmmad Al-Fateh”

- Qalanida Media Center

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0202 Editor’s Notes:
[1] A mutakif is a person doing itikaf, which is an Islamic practice consisting of staying in a mosque for a certain number of days and devoting oneself to worship during that time.
[2] Bab A-Rahma, or the Golden Gate, is one of the sealed entrances to Al-Aqsa Mosque. In recent years the Muslim cemetery at Bab A-Rahma has become a flashpoint in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because of attempts to confiscate parts of the cemetery for a national park trail.
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ALLAHU AKBAR. WUD LOVE 2 HAVE BEEN 2 HELP US RABB.

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“The Jewish people have had difficult times in the days before the coming of the Messiah. The whole house of Israel needs to begin observing the most precious laws!!!!!! Observe Shabbat [1], family purity [2], kashrut [3], laws regarding interactions between people. Dear brothers, please help your people to bring the Messiah closer and teach all the people of Israel to be saved!”

- Yael Safra in ‘Jerusalemites’ FB group

[Selected Comments]:
- “I’m just on my way to eat a cheeseburger with bacon. On this note, I kindly ask all you feminists, religious people and nationalists to stop shoving your ideologies down everyone’s throat!"
- “When is he coming? Is there a date? Oh, I see, he couldn’t come because they’ve blocked the roads [of Jerusalem]!"
- “Respect! This is the only way to save the Jewish people! All those who disagree can leave!”

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0202 Editor's Notes:
[1] The Sabbath, or ‘Shabbat,’ is the Jewish day of rest which begins Friday evening and continues until Saturday evening. The Jewish Sabbath observance according to religious law includes many prohibitions on the Sabbath day, such as driving.
[2] Family purity is a set of laws surrounding the times of month a married couple may be intimate with each other according to the wife's menstrual cycle.
[3] Kashrut is Jewish dietary laws. Among the numerous laws that form part of kashrut are the prohibitions on the consumption of certain animals and mixtures of meat and milk.

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“The Jewish people have had difficult times in the days before the coming of the Messiah. The whole house of Israel needs to begin observing the most precious laws!!!!!! Observe Shabbat [1], family purity [2], kashrut [3], laws regarding interactions between people. Dear brothers, please help your people to bring the Messiah closer and teach all the people of Israel to be saved!” 

- Yael Safra in ‘Jerusalemites’ FB group 

[Selected Comments]: 
- “I’m just on my way to eat a cheeseburger with bacon. On this note, I kindly ask all you feminists, religious people and nationalists to stop shoving your ideologies down everyone’s throat! 
- “When is he coming? Is there a date? Oh, I see, he couldn’t come because they’ve blocked the roads [of Jerusalem]!
- “Respect! This is the only way to save the Jewish people! All those who disagree can leave!” 

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0202 Editors Notes: 
[1] The Sabbath, or ‘Shabbat,’ is the Jewish day of rest which begins Friday evening and continues until Saturday evening. The Jewish Sabbath observance according to religious law includes many prohibitions on the Sabbath day, such as driving.
[2] Family purity is a set of laws surrounding the times of month a married couple may be intimate with each other according to the wifes menstrual cycle. 
[3] Kashrut is Jewish dietary laws. Among the numerous laws that form part of kashrut are the prohibitions on the consumption of certain animals and mixtures of meat and milk. 

#Religion #Judaism #Messiah
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I love the comments here...

#0202_A_View_From_East_Jerusalem

“Imagine if someone came, stood behind you in prayer and did this to you.”

- Anata News-Jerusalem

[Selected Comments:]
- “I would beat him up in the mosque.”
- “Lol, why is this guy even going to prayers? He shouldn’t be doing that—and in the house of God?”
- “What stupidity.”
- “I ask God for forgiveness [for this action].”
-“The guy has Down Syndrome, God help him.”

#Prayers #Pranks #Islam #Mosque
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Good thing he doesn’t have access to a lulav!

Boaz Sherez

Minna Lederberger Eli Lederberger Sam Lederberger Abba would totally do this, right?

#0202_A_View_from_West_Jerusalem

"Here, come and get to know this new segregated beach. This happened oh so spontaneously - and for men only." [1]

- Liron Nagler-Cohen

[Selected Comments]:
- "Come on girls, this is the time to walk the dog in your swimsuit and take a dip in the spring at Lifta [2] - we'll see if any men will stay..."
- " Going in your bikini might have an immediate effect however it won't have far-reaching consequences in future".
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0202 Editor's notes:
[1] With the expansion of the city, the springs of Lifta have become accessible to many more hikers, as well as those seeking ritual purification. Secular communities over the last few weeks have protested the Haredi men who have increasingly used the springs as ritual baths, with the main problem that the men say they cannot immerse in places where women are present.
[2] Lifta is a nature reserve on the outskirts of Jerusalem located on the site of a depopulated Palestinian village. The spring at Lifta is a popular summer location among Jerusalemites.

#Haredi_Jerusalem #Religious_Coercion #Gender #Nature
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Here, come and get to know this new segregated beach. This happened oh so spontaneously - and for men only. [1]

- Liron Nagler-Cohen 

[Selected Comments]: 
- Come on girls, this is the time to walk the dog in your swimsuit and take a dip in the spring at Lifta [2] - well see if any men will stay...
-  Going in your bikini might have an immediate effect however it wont have far-reaching consequences in future. 
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0202 Editors notes: 
[1] With the expansion of the city, the springs of Lifta have become accessible to many more hikers, as well as those seeking ritual purification. Secular communities over the last few weeks have protested the Haredi men who have increasingly used the springs as ritual baths, with the main problem that the men say they cannot immerse in places where women are present.
[2] Lifta is a nature reserve on the outskirts of Jerusalem located on the site of a depopulated Palestinian village. The spring at Lifta is a popular summer location among Jerusalemites.

#Haredi_Jerusalem #Religious_Coercion #Gender  #Nature
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It wasn't "abandoned", it was ethnically cleansed during the Nakba.

That’s the Haredi’s problem. No one else’s.

And I've seen the same at Nebi Samuel. Unfortunately it's a widespread phenomenon, apparently.

Have seen the same at ein lavan

#A_View_From_Haredi_Jerusalem

"Concerned London Haredim Gather in Jerusalem

Hundreds gathered in Jerusalem for an emergency assembly, following the England's government decision to require schools to offer core studies in order to receive funding. As a result, conferences are being held in England and Israel in order to discuss the dire situation, in which the government will force Haredi schools to teach content which contradicts Jewish beliefs.

In Israel, institutions receive 50% funding even if they don’t teach core studies. Now, British Haredi schools will receive no funding at all, and will be forced to shut down.

It is reported that a number of London residents are seriously considering moving to Israel. ‘We cannot allow our children to hear such content, it’s a disaster. We’ll have to teach our children in secret, like they had to do in communist Russia’, said one Londoner. Another added, 'even homeschooling won’t be an option, because if a child doesn’t go to school, welfare services get involved. Children can’t stay at home.’

The Haredi communities are desperate. The foreign Haredim once pitied Israeli Haredim because of local governmental decrees, but now they face a much bigger problem."

-B'Hadrei Haredim

#Education #Religion #Haredi_Jerusalem #London
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Concerned London Haredim Gather in Jerusalem

Hundreds gathered in Jerusalem for an emergency assembly, following the Englands government decision to require schools to offer core studies in order to receive funding. As a result, conferences are being held in England and Israel in order to discuss the dire situation, in which the government will force Haredi schools to teach content which contradicts Jewish beliefs.

In Israel, institutions receive 50% funding even if they don’t teach core studies. Now, British Haredi schools will receive no funding at all, and will be forced to shut down. 

It is reported that a number of London residents are seriously considering moving to Israel. ‘We cannot allow our children to hear such content, it’s a disaster. We’ll have to teach our children in secret, like they had to do in communist Russia’, said one Londoner. Another added, even homeschooling won’t be an option, because if a child doesn’t go to school, welfare services get involved. Children can’t stay at home.’ 

The Haredi communities are desperate. The foreign Haredim once pitied Israeli Haredim because of local governmental decrees, but now they face a much bigger problem.

-BHadrei Haredim

#Education #Religion #Haredi_Jerusalem #London 
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#0202_A_View_From_East_Jerualem

“Austrian Chancellor visits Al-Buraq Wall [1], disregarding European Union policy

Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz ignored European Union policy on the special status of Jerusalem and visited Al- Buraq Wall.

An image published by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on his Twitter and Instagram accounts showed Kurz wearing a Jewish skullcap and performing Talmudic prayers at the wall, imitating followers of the Jewish religion.

Netanyahu, who will meet with Kurz tonight [June 11, 2018], said he hoped European leaders would follow Kurz’s example and visit the ‘Wailing Wall’ when visiting Israel.”

- Al-Quds
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[1] Al-Buraq Wall is the Arabic name Muslims have for the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall, or in Hebrew, the Kotel. The Jewish name for the site refers to the wall’s placement as the westernmost wall of the Jewish Temple, which was destroyed in the year 70, save for this wall. The Arabic name for the site got its name from the Prophet Mohammad's (pbuh) night journey, or Mi'raj, during which he tied his steed, called the Buraq, to the wall while he ascended to heaven.

#Buraq_Wall #Western_Wall #Austria #Politics

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“Austrian Chancellor visits Al-Buraq Wall [1], disregarding European Union policy

Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz ignored European Union policy on the special status of Jerusalem and visited Al- Buraq Wall.

An image published by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on his Twitter and Instagram accounts showed Kurz wearing a Jewish skullcap and performing Talmudic prayers at the wall, imitating followers of the Jewish religion.

Netanyahu, who will meet with Kurz tonight [June 11, 2018], said he hoped European leaders would follow Kurz’s example and visit the ‘Wailing Wall’ when visiting Israel.”

- Al-Quds
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0202 Editor’s Note:
[1] Al-Buraq Wall is the Arabic name Muslims have for the Western Wall, the Wailing Wall, or in Hebrew, the Kotel. The Jewish name for the site refers to the wall’s placement as the westernmost wall of the Jewish Temple, which was destroyed in the year 70, save for this wall. The Arabic name for the site got its name from the Prophet Mohammads (pbuh) night journey, or Miraj, during which he tied his steed, called the Buraq, to the wall while he ascended to heaven. 

#Buraq_Wall #Western_Wall #Austria #Politics

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News Digest: Laylat Al-Qadr [1] Prayers in Jerusalem

#0202_A_View_From_East_Jerusalem

“350,000 worshippers attended Laylat Al-Qadr prayers in the courtyards of Al-Aqsa Mosque, despite the Occupation’s strict security measures that harass Palestinians before reaching the mosque.”

- Nawras News Twitter Feed

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“Our [Palestinian] brethren from the West Bank are still leaving Jerusalem up until now [June 12, 2018], after observing Laylat Al-Qadr in the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque.”

- Mukaber Net

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#0202_A_View_From_West_Jerusalem

"400 thousand worshipers arrived for ‘Laylat Al-Qadr’s prayer at the Al-Aqsa mosque. […]"

- Jerusalemites FB Group, Posted by an East Jerusalemite Member [2]

[Selected Comments:]

- "Next year in Mecca, rebuilt [3]. Happy holiday to you."
- "This post is an attempted show of force and ownership of Jerusalem – nothing more. I don’t understand why we should assist him and wish him a happy holiday. Notice that his profile picture was changed to a photo of Messi last week because he didn’t come to Jerusalem…"
- "People suck up to our enemy for no reason, and then they get slapped by them and wake up – it’s too bad that this is the case."
- "This was the reason for the traffic jams."

- "With the help of God, the Temple will be built soon, in our days!"
- [In response:] "How will that happen when the People of Israel sin so much? Do you know how many there are that do not observe the Sabbath? Do you know how many Jews there are that don’t believe in the Torah? So, how will the Temple be built when the majority of the nation are sinners?"
- [In response:] "Don’t you worry, it’ll be built."
- [In response:] "Not worried at all"
- [In response:] "Do you know how many Arabs eat in secret during Ramadan?"
- [In response:] "Less than eat during Yom Kippur."

- "Why are these posts posted all the time?"
- "He does it to create trouble and because he wants attention."
- "There’s no trouble, there are prayers for peace between people, and so that God will bring about peace and quiet between people."
- "You’re trying to provoke people with your posts, you’re bored."
- "This post has to do with the city in which we all live. The post’s goal is to bring people together so that they’ll pray for peace."

- "It sucks to see such blatant racism first thing in the morning. They want to pray, let them pray. They want to celebrate, let them celebrate."
- "1. Hating your enemy isn’t racism. Period.
2. When they let us pray there too, we can speak about racism. Jews can’t even say ‘Shma Israel’ [4] or salute on Temple Mount and you preach to me about racism?!"
- "1. Not all Arabs are ‘the enemy’.
2. If ‘they’ are racist, it doesn’t justify [racism on your part.]
3. I will certainly admonish you and the rest regarding your ugly racism.
Not that I think that Walid [the original poster] is a saint, and seeing by his and Ihab’s comments, he does this to provoke you and others here. So don’t go along with this game."

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0202 Editor’s Note:
[1] Laylat Al-Qadr, or the Night of Power, is the holiest night of the year for Muslims and falls within the fasting month of Ramadan. Muslims believe that it was on this night that the Quran was first revealed to the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), and that their fates for the upcoming year are brought down from heaven on this night as well. It is generally commemorated on the 27th night of Ramadan with special communal prayers and Quranic recitations.
[2] A west Jerusalemite FB group. There are some east Jerusalemite members.
[3] A play on the customary Jewish blessing, "Next year in Jerusalem".
[4] An important Jewish prayer.

#Laylat_Alqadr #Worshippers #AlAqsa

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“Watch what happens to some [Israeli] settlers in a [Palestinian] neighborhood in East Jerusalem…”

- Mukaber Net

[Selected Comments:]
-“Where was this? May God commend the right hand of the guy who it did it.”
- “Just so you know those are Haredi [Jews] [1], not settlers. In any case, they had a good shower."
-“There isn’t much of a difference between Haredi [Jews] and settlers, they are all bastards.”

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0202 Editor's Note:
[1] Haredim (lit. those who tremble before God), also known as Ultra Orthodox Jews, adhere to a stream of Judaism that is characterised by a rejection of modern, secular culture. Many Haredim do not serve in the IDF and instead learn in religious men’s seminaries. Some Haredim are theologically opposed to Zionism and the State of Israel.

#Haredi_Jerusalem #East_Jerusalem
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"Fire in Me'ah She'arim [1]: Suspected Arson.

The firefighters were called to Me'ah She'arim to extinguish a burning apartment and were attacked by local extremists. According to the investigation, it now appears that this was apparently deliberate arson

Last Sunday, around 21:30, fire rescue teams from the Jerusalem stations were sent to a fire in a building located in Me'ah Sh'earim.The fire fighters who arrived on the scene noticed the burning fire in the apartment, and thick smoke surrounding the entire structure.

The fire fighters entered the burning building, searched for trapped victims, extinguished the flames, prevented the spread of fire to nearby houses, and ventilated the place from the heavy smoke that had accumulated there. After about half an hour, the fire was under control.

An initial investigation by the fire and rescue investigators in Jerusalem shows that the fire apparently began by arson. The conclusion of the investigation will be forwarded to the firefighting and rescue legal department in the Jerusalem District, and to law enforcement authorities.

The firefighters who entered the neighborhood were attacked by extremists who shouted at them, threw stones and blocked the vehicles with garbage dumpsters."

-Kikar HaShabat

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0202 Editor's Note:
[1] Me'ah She'arim is one of the oldest Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem and was built in the late 19th century. Today, Me'ah She'arim is an insular neighborhood in the heart of Jerusalem populated by Haredi Jews. Me'ah She'arim is also home to the extremist ‘Sikrikim’ and ‘Neturei Karta’ factions who are fiercely anti-Zionist and often oppose the presence of government employees in the neighborhood.

#Meah_Shearim #Crime #Waste #Violence
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Fire in Meah Shearim [1]: Suspected Arson.

The firefighters were called to Meah Shearim to extinguish a burning apartment and were attacked by local extremists. According to the investigation, it now appears that this was apparently deliberate arson

Last Sunday, around 21:30, fire rescue teams from the Jerusalem stations were sent to a fire in a building located in Meah Shearim.The fire fighters who arrived on the scene noticed the burning fire in the apartment, and thick smoke surrounding the entire structure.

The fire fighters entered the burning building, searched for trapped victims, extinguished the flames, prevented the spread of fire to nearby houses, and ventilated the place from the heavy smoke that had accumulated there. After about half an hour, the fire was under control.

An initial investigation by the fire and rescue investigators in Jerusalem shows that the fire apparently began by arson. The conclusion of the investigation will be forwarded to the firefighting and rescue legal department in the Jerusalem District, and to law enforcement authorities.

The firefighters who entered the neighborhood were attacked by extremists who shouted at them, threw stones and blocked the vehicles with garbage dumpsters.

-Kikar HaShabat

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0202 Editors Note:
[1] Meah Shearim is one of the oldest Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem and was built in the late 19th century. Today, Meah Shearim is an insular neighborhood in the heart of Jerusalem populated by Haredi Jews. Meah Shearim is also home to the extremist ‘Sikrikim’ and ‘Neturei Karta’ factions who are fiercely anti-Zionist and often oppose the presence of government employees in the neighborhood. 

#Meah_Shearim #Crime #Waste #Violence 
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#0202_A_View_From_East_Jerusalem

“The most popular photo in the village of Anata [1].

An insignificant Zionist soldier takes a photo at the entrance of the [Palestinian] village. To our dismay, many Palestinian youth are proud of this photo. What they are thinking? I don’t understand.”

- Events from Anata

[Selected Comments:]
- “The picture was taken from behind, but the [Israeli] soldier is probably saying, ‘I swear I will finish off this village because it has no men [to protect it].’ Lol.”
- “What a backwards society, why were they brought up like this? They are terrible with no morals. I swear this type of thing makes a person speechless.”
- “These types of young people are truly trivial. What are they so proud of and what is there to be gained [from sharing photos like this]? What is the reason behind this? When you [Palestinians] play Hebrew music on full blast, do you think you are honoring yourselves? In the time of the Prophet [Mohammad (pbuh)] the leaders were like 15 or 18 years old, maybe even younger. In our time the young people look huge, but act like little kids with simple minds.”

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[1] Anata is a Palestinian town in the Jerusalem Governorate in the central West Bank, located four kilometers northeast of Jerusalem's Old City. Together with Shuafat Refugee Camp, the village is almost completely surrounded by the separation barrier. The village is cut off from Jerusalem and nearby villages except for a checkpoint in the west, and a road in the north-east that gives access to the rest of the West Bank.

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“The most popular photo in the village of Anata [1].

An insignificant Zionist soldier takes a photo at the entrance of the [Palestinian] village. To our dismay, many Palestinian youth are proud of this photo. What they are thinking? I don’t understand.”

- Events from Anata

[Selected Comments:]
- “The picture was taken from behind, but the [Israeli] soldier is probably saying, ‘I swear I will finish off this village because it has no men [to protect it].’ Lol.”
- “What a backwards society, why were they brought up like this? They are terrible with no morals. I swear this type of thing makes a person speechless.”
- “These types of young people are truly trivial. What are they so proud of and what is there to be gained [from sharing photos like this]? What is the reason behind this? When you [Palestinians] play Hebrew music on full blast, do you think you are honoring yourselves? In the time of the Prophet [Mohammad (pbuh)] the leaders were like 15 or 18 years old, maybe even younger. In our time the young people look huge, but act like little kids with simple minds.”

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0202 Editor’s note:
[1] Anata is a Palestinian town in the Jerusalem Governorate in the central West Bank, located four kilometers northeast of Jerusalems Old City. Together with Shuafat Refugee Camp, the village is almost completely surrounded by the separation barrier. The village is cut off from Jerusalem and nearby villages except for a checkpoint in the west, and a road in the north-east that gives access to the rest of the West Bank.

#Anata #Palestinian_Youth #Army #Media
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Why are Palestinian youths proud of this photo?

#0202_A_View_From_West_Jerusalem

"Hello everyone,
I want to ask a question of the Arab members of the group, and I want their responses only, without any ugly remarks!
Please answer each question separately! If anyone prefers, you can also PM me! : )
We are not going to deny the phenomenon called ‘honor killings’.
I want to understand a few things:
In what way does the murder ‘reclaim’ the family’s honor, when it is known that according to Islam, executions can only be sanctioned by the court, following the appearance of 4 witnesses, and it is completely forbidden by Christianity?
I mean, the murderer is ‘removing’ a soul from the body in which God place it!
Now for another scenario:
Let’s say that there’s a family: parents, one son and three daughters. The daughters have decided to commit suicide – together or separately, it doesn’t matter – but the result is that the three daughters killed themselves. Now, would that be considered a source of shame for the family? And if it is, how do you ‘reclaim’ the honor?
Thank you, all responders!"

- Jerusalemites FB Group

[Selected Comments {divided into threads}. Some of the comments were made by Muslims, some by Jews:]
- "Nothing will ‘bring’ the family’s honor back. And anyway, not every Muslim does what the Holy Book commands, for example, there are people that don’t pray or fast. And that’s true for all religions: there are some that don’t follow their holy books. And there’s nothing in Islamic law that sanctions killing like you described; only if there are witnesses to the penetration, and it is the court’s decision; and that’s tough too, because it’s hard to find witnesses to that. Those that kill, or do inconceivable things, are doing whatever they feel like, but when there are tougher [religious] requirements, they ignore them."

- "There are dozens of different opinions in Islam, and everybody believes they represent the true Islam. Just like among us, every sector within the Israeli community thinks it represents Judaism. The difference is that compared to the fanatics of Judaism and Christianity, Islam’s fanatics, like ISIS, have gone as far as possible, and they’re one example out of many."
- "Excuse me, ISIS doesn’t represent Islam, it is an American creation. Go watch videos of Clinton in which she admits that Al-Qaida and ISIS are creations of the West."

- "1. Honor killings are a social custom, not a religious one.
2. Nothing is equal to the family of a relative (yes, even family honor).
3. That last scenario you described – its connection to family honor is unclear."

- "The amount of [such] murders is minimal compared to the number of Muslims worldwide, but the media always publicizes the bad before the good."
- "But that doesn’t answer the questions…
And anyway, I don’t care about what the media says, I care about reality!
In the villages, at least, any girl that does something that’s forbidden, or even if rumors start circulating that she is ‘unclean’ (even if that’s incorrect), gets murdered because the family’s name is longer clean."
- "No, my brother, you’re exaggerating; your description isn’t exact. I told you, in order to reach this solution – murder – you need 4 witnesses, and that isn’t simple. At the same time, there are a few people that do whatever they want – that’s all. There have been a few murders in the Jewish sector too – in Jerusalem and Petah Tikva – but you can’t say that it is a Jewish tradition."
- "Refael, check the numbers. It’s true that there’re more murders of women in the Arab society in Israel compared to the Jewish society, but the difference isn’t significant. The situation definitely isn’t that ‘any girl that does something that’s forbidden…gets murdered’. I’ve no idea why this difference exists, and there could be a thousand different reasons for it. For example, less enforcement in Arabs villages in things that relate to this issue, or maybe even less complaints are being filed (I don’t know if that’s true, but it sounds like something worth checking) – only then can you talk of a cultural difference. Women get murdered, this is a terrible phenomenon that must be fought, regardless of religion and race."

- "According to Islam, if she’s single, her punishment is a hundred lashes; if she's married, her punishment is death. But no one can judge her without four eye-witnesses.
If there aren’t four witnesses then you can’t judge her unless she confessed, then she can be sentenced to death, and only by an Islamic court."
- "What happens if a man cheats? What would be his punishment?"
- "According to the Quran, the punishment is the same."

#East_Jerusalem #Violence #Gender #Religious_Law

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Hello everyone,
I want to ask a question of the Arab members of the group, and I want their responses only, without any ugly remarks!
Please answer each question separately! If anyone prefers, you can also PM me! : )
We are not going to deny the phenomenon called ‘honor killings’.
I want to understand a few things:
In what way does the murder ‘reclaim’ the family’s honor, when it is known that according to Islam, executions can only be sanctioned by the court, following the appearance of 4 witnesses, and it is completely forbidden by Christianity?
I mean, the murderer is ‘removing’ a soul from the body in which God place it!
Now for another scenario: 
Let’s say that there’s a family: parents, one son and three daughters. The daughters have decided to commit suicide – together or separately, it doesn’t matter – but the result is that the three daughters killed themselves. Now, would that be considered a source of shame for the family? And if it is, how do you ‘reclaim’ the honor?
Thank you, all responders!

- Jerusalemites FB Group

[Selected Comments {divided into threads}. Some of the comments were made by Muslims, some by Jews:]
- Nothing will ‘bring’ the family’s honor back. And anyway, not every Muslim does what the Holy Book commands, for example, there are people that don’t pray or fast. And that’s true for all religions: there are some that don’t follow their holy books. And there’s nothing in Islamic law that sanctions killing like you described; only if there are witnesses to the penetration, and it is the court’s decision; and that’s tough too, because it’s hard to find witnesses to that. Those that kill, or do inconceivable things, are doing whatever they feel like, but when there are tougher [religious] requirements, they ignore them.

- There are dozens of different opinions in Islam, and everybody believes they represent the true Islam. Just like among us, every sector within the Israeli community thinks it represents Judaism. The difference is that compared to the fanatics of Judaism and Christianity, Islam’s fanatics, like ISIS, have gone as far as possible, and they’re one example out of many.
- Excuse me, ISIS doesn’t represent Islam, it is an American creation. Go watch videos of Clinton in which she admits that Al-Qaida and ISIS are creations of the West.

- 1. Honor killings are a social custom, not a religious one.
    2. Nothing is equal to the family of a relative (yes, even family honor).
    3. That last scenario you described – its connection to family honor is unclear.

- The amount of [such] murders is minimal compared to the number of Muslims worldwide, but the media always publicizes the bad before the good.
- But that doesn’t answer the questions…
And anyway, I don’t care about what the media says, I care about reality!
In the villages, at least, any girl that does something that’s forbidden, or even if rumors start circulating that she is ‘unclean’ (even if that’s incorrect), gets murdered because the family’s name is longer clean.
- No, my brother, you’re exaggerating; your description isn’t exact. I told you, in order to reach this solution – murder – you need 4 witnesses, and that isn’t simple. At the same time, there are a few people that do whatever they want – that’s all. There have been a few murders in the Jewish sector too – in Jerusalem and Petah Tikva – but you can’t say that it is a Jewish tradition.
- Refael, check the numbers. It’s true that there’re more murders of women in the Arab society in Israel compared to the Jewish society, but the difference isn’t significant. The situation definitely isn’t that ‘any girl that does something that’s forbidden…gets murdered’. I’ve no idea why this difference exists, and there could be a thousand different reasons for it. For example, less enforcement in Arabs villages in things that relate to this issue, or maybe even less complaints are being filed (I don’t know if that’s true, but it sounds like something worth checking) – only then can you talk of a cultural difference. Women get murdered, this is a terrible phenomenon that must be fought, regardless of religion and race.

- According to Islam, if she’s single, her punishment is a hundred lashes; if shes married, her punishment is death. But no one can judge her without four eye-witnesses.
If there aren’t four witnesses then you can’t judge her unless she confessed, then she can be sentenced to death, and only by an Islamic court.
- What happens if a man cheats? What would be his punishment?
- According to the Quran, the punishment is the same.

#East_Jerusalem #Violence #Gender #Religious_Law

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